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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yeah, there seems to be
some kind of recursion in the issue which twists your brain the more you think
about it. I’ve emailed the SFLC (software freedom law center) and am
currently getting legal advice on the matter. The main goal is to give the
Zigbee-Linux developers some peace of mind so they can start developing again. Once
I hear back from them, I’ll post it on the mailing list and the blog.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Akiba</span></font><font color=navy><span
lang=EN-US style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>FreakLabs Open Source Zigbee Project</span></font><font
color=navy><span lang=EN-US style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>http://www.freaklabs.org</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Hardy, Allan [mailto:allan.hardy@lmco.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:29
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Akiba;
legal@lists.gpl-violations.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Question regarding
GPL and membership requirements for a standards body</span></font><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Perhaps. I’d like to
understand the differences, the devil is usually in the details. Do you
have access to the Bluetooth terms? I went to Bluetooth.com and the
latest spec document. (see excerpt below) I’m am not seeing the
requirements for membership if I use the linux drivers? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I am starting to wonder what exactly my
obligations are under either products license. I thought I had read the
Zigbee terms to apply to not just the Specification but works derived from the
specification. I just went back to their site and re-read:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>“No part of this specification may
be used in development of a product for sale without becoming a member of
ZigBee Alliance.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Ok, but if you build a driver for linux,
offer it for free, it seems fine for you. If I then take your product and
use it – does that equate to me “using the specification for
development?” If I am a consumer of your free implementation,
that doesn’t seem to make me a user of the specification.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>So aim going to go back and challenge my
original scenario. If I use your free implementation, I don’t
seem to have any obligation to Zigbee? I don’t need to join zigbee
if I just use/consumer of your free implementation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Also Zigbee doesn’t seem to force
any restrictions on your software license, other then make it free.
You can license your software under any license, with or without source code,
etc? If I use your software my only obligation is to you, as copyright
holder. I appear to have been completely wrong about my having any
obligation to ZigBee?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Anyway that is the key question for
me, if you build it, and if I use it in a commercial hardware device,
does that make me a user of the specification? Right now I don’t
think so, which leads me to ask, what’s the problem? : )<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks for making me think on this <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Allan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Disclaimer
and Copyright Notice<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The copyright in these
specifications is owned by the Promoter Members of Bluetooth SIG, Inc.
(“Bluetooth SIG”). Use of these specifications and any<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>related intellectual
property (collectively, the “Specification”), is governed by the
Promoters Membership Agreement among the Promoter Members and Bluetooth SIG
(the “Promoters Agreement”), certain membership agreements between
Bluetooth SIG and its Adopter and Associate Members (the “Membership
Agreements”) and the Bluetooth Specification Early Adopters Agreements
(“1.2 Early Adopters Agreements”) among Early Adopter members of
the unincorporated Bluetooth special interest group and the Promoter Members
(the “Early Adopters Agreement”). Certain rights and obligations of
the Promoter Members under the Early Adopters Agreements have been assigned to
Bluetooth SIG by the Promoter Members.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Use of the Specification
by anyone who is not a member of Bluetooth SIG or a party to an Early Adopters
Agreement (each such person or party, a “Member”),<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>is prohibited. The legal
rights and obligations of each Member are governed by their applicable
Membership Agreement, Early Adopters Agreement or Promoters Agreement. No
license, express or implied, by estoppel or otherwise, to any intellectual
property rights are granted herein.</span></font><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
legal-bounces@lists.gpl-violations.org
[mailto:legal-bounces@lists.gpl-violations.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Akiba<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 22, 2009 10:06
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> legal@lists.gpl-violations.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Question regarding
GPL and membership requirements for a standards body<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Allan. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>According to your
argument, then Bluetooth would also be incompatible since it requires that any
users of the Bluetooth spec become members of the Bluetooth SIG. The membership
is free at the lowest tier. However there is a Bluetooth Linux project and it
looks like it has been deemed compatible with the GPL. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Akiba</span></font><font color=navy><span
lang=EN-US style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>FreakLabs Open Source Zigbee Project</span></font><font
color=navy><span lang=EN-US style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>http://www.freaklabs.org</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hardy, Allan [mailto:allan.hardy@lmco.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 23, 2009 10:53
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Akiba;
legal@lists.gpl-violations.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Question regarding
GPL and membership requirements for a standards body</span></font><font size=3
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>>></span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> The issue is that the GPL requires that software must be
provided free of licensing fees as mentioned in clause 2-c of the GPL v2:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Zigbee terms are not GPL compliant we
agree on that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I respectfully disagree that it is
because of a membership fee. Requiring membership at all is enough to be
in conflict with GPL.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Assume Zigbee membership is free:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If I took a standard GPL product and
embedded it in my hardware Device what are my GPL requirements? –
Primarily to provide source code for the GPL components.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If I take a Zigbee embedded in a linux
distro, then put in my device what are my requirements? - To become a
member of Zigbee alliance, to follow what ever additional requirements are put
on members, and to provide source code for GPL components.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The Zigbee terms are not GPL compatible
because it discriminates against a class of users, as example commercial
hardware vendors, it puts additional restrictions on my ability to use the GPL
product, takes away freedoms of use I had, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The fact that it also involves $ is a
secondary issue, imho, not the main issue. Zigbee could drop
their fee to $1 or $0 and it still would be GPL incompatible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>>></span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> This was the central point in the issue that was discussed
regarding the spec’s compatibility with GPL’d software. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Discussed where? Even if it was
the central point of the discussion, it is not the central point of GPL incompatibility.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>At least that’s my central
point. : )<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Allan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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