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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Daniel,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I just downloaded through svn the entire distribution
from the google code page for GWT and the jfreechart source is not included in
that distribution as far as I can tell, although it is referenced in the
included classes. Is there a different svn source distribution I should
be looking for other than the official one on the web?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It does seem to look for a folder in the
build to include these libraries from jar files, i.e. build.xml for the library
I referenced:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <target name="wardir" description="Create
the target war directory"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <copy todir="${war}"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <fileset
dir="war" excludes="WEB-INF/classes/marker" /><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </copy><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <mkdir dir="${war}/WEB-INF/lib"
/><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <copy todir="${war}/WEB-INF/lib"
file="${gwt.servlet.jar}" /><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <copy todir="${war}/WEB-INF/lib"
file="${gwt.tools.lib}/jfreechart/jfreechart-1.0.3.jar" /><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <copy todir="${war}/WEB-INF/lib"
file="${gwt.tools.lib}/jfreechart/jcommon-1.0.6.jar" /><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </target><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If the source for the LGPL is included in an
svn distro, this should be noted/linked to in the licensed software notes in
addition to the link to the jfree site to avoid these kind of questions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Steve<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Daniel Berlin
[mailto:dannyb@google.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:51
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Stephen C. Fedder<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> legal@lists.gpl-violations.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: RE: Google is
Violating LGPL Source Code</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We do
provide the source archives for jfreechart, at the exact same place we provide
the gwt downloads<br>
They are in the svn repository, rather than on the downloads page. We have done
this since the first release of gwt<br>
The docs link to the original website not because you have to go there to get
source, but because that is where it came from.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Apr 7, 2009 5:27 PM, "Stephen C. Fedder" <<a
href="mailto:sfedder@hotmail.com">sfedder@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Sorry, I was not aware that the jfree chart library was actually included as<br>
binary files, and no-one had mentioned this before in the thread, which was<br>
why I commented that it would be helpful to know that fact positively before<br>
starting a thread. I still think that the potential non-compliance should<br>
also be conveyed/discussed with the vendor before bringing up a public<br>
complaint, as these things tend to often get blown out of proportion.<br>
<br>
In the case that the product is included in the war distribution, which is<br>
essentially an archive/aggregation that is unpacked to the target directory<br>
on the server, I would agree that this inclusion (IANAL) does not require<br>
the package under the GPL, as would directly linking source code in a<br>
binary, since the jfreechart jar file could still easily be replaced by the<br>
user with another version compiled from source. Inclusion of the binaries<br>
in the war does mean that there is a requirement to provide access to the<br>
source code for the version(s) of the LGPL binaries that are incorporated<br>
into the war being distributed. Providing a link to the website of the<br>
original distribution is good, however to comply, companies archive and<br>
provide LGPL source file distributions for any past binary distributions<br>
they have used in a binary form on the same site they distribute the<br>
application on. This could just be a conglomerate L/GPL source site, for<br>
example, covering all applications fielded by the company using L/GPL<br>
software.<br>
<br>
Section 6. of LGPL 2.1 does specifically state that the source for the<br>
unmodified or modified LGPL library, even if just aggregated or dynamically<br>
linked with the product, must still be provided. Section 6 is meant to<br>
specifically allow use of the software as a library without the viral nature<br>
of GPL infecting software that merely uses the standard interfaces (API) of<br>
the library. It does not remove the responsibility to distribute the
source<br>
code for the library in any case where an object-only form is distributed.<br>
(anyone here please correct me if I'm wrong).<br>
<br>
I do see in the file gwt-benchmark-viewer.jar in the distribution that the<br>
jfree chart package is included as binary class files. Since the class<br>
files are actually embedded in a jar, not just the war itself, the library<br>
is not actually being used as a separate package (LGPL would usually be<br>
distributed as a separate jar file rather than the class files being<br>
embedded with an application). This makes it more problematic for an end<br>
user to recompile and replace the jfree package in the binary distribution<br>
of the application, which is a large part of the "freedom" afforded
by the<br>
clauses in the LGPL - someone help me out here...<br>
<br>
The start of a listing of the a jar file in the GWT distribution showing the<br>
beginning of the jfree distribution is below...<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
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<p><font size=3 color="#500050" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#500050'>-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Berlin [mailto:<a
href="mailto:dannyb@google.com">dannyb@google.com</a>] </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 color="#500050" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#500050'>Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:41 PM To: Stephen C.
Fedder Cc: <a href="mailto:legal@lists.gpl-violations.org">legal@lists.gpl-violations.org</a>
Subj...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 color="#500050" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#500050'>On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Daniel Berlin <<a
href="mailto:dannyb@google.com">dannyb@google.com</a>> wrote: > On Tue,
Apr 7, 2009 at 1...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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