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Subject: Re: ASUS SplashTop and Phoenix Hyperspace infringing kernel	copyright
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:02:45 -0700
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Hi, 

 
I work for DeviceVM, the company that makes Splashtop, and would like to
respond to the concerns about our use of open source code.

 
While we appreciate your concern, we feel it is misplaced. We would like to
direct your attention to the Splashtop documentation provided with every
motherboard, which includes Third Party Software Credits
(http://www.splashtop.com/credits/02.html). The credits contain a copy of
the GPL along with links to the open source projects that Splashtop
leverages. 

 
DeviceVM is happy to fulfill our obligations under the GPL as promised
therein. We already offer our patches to the open source projects at
http://www.splashtop.com/developer.php and are in the process of releasing
full source online in one place. 

 
Thank you for your continued interest in the Splashtop products,

 
Sergei Krupenin

DeviceVM

 
* Please note: my emails to the mailing list bounce, probably because I am a
new member. So I am responding directly to people who have been involved in
the thread. *

 
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Stan Cunningham &lt;stan.cunningham at
yahoo.com&gt; wrote:

&gt; Hi,

&gt; 

&gt; SplashTop is an extension of BIOS that runs on the Linux kernel and 

&gt; has been distributed by ASUS on certain high-end motherboards and 

&gt; laptops

since

&gt; October, 2007. In May 2008, ASUS announced that it will ship SplashTop 

&gt; on

&gt; *ALL* its motherboards. The problem is that ever since SplashTop's

inception

&gt; ASUS has been infringing on the copyright of Linux kernel contributors.

&gt; 

&gt; SplashTop's so-called source code (

&gt; 

http://www.splashtop.com/download3.php?token=1bfb156d0cd5fef5df4a43ad2b46a53

1)

&gt; contains a few patches to the Linux kernel but not the whole, 

&gt; compilable modified kernel source code as the GPL requires. This 

&gt; clearly constitutes

a

&gt; copyright violation.

&gt; 

&gt; I haven't bought any of the motherboards or laptops containing 

&gt; SplashTop, but ASUS may have left out the obligatory notice on boxes 

&gt; and/or manuals informing the recipients that the product contains GPL 

&gt; code and where that source code can be obtained. If they indeed left 

&gt; out the notice, that constitutes another violation of the GPL and 

&gt; consequently of copyright

law.

&gt; 

&gt; Another product that likely violates the GPL is Hyperspace, which is 

&gt; marketed by the infamous proprietary PC BIOS maker Phoenix. Even 

&gt; though Hyperspace clearly runs Linux and has been reported to do so in 

&gt; the press, Phoenix doesn't even mention the word Linux or the GPL on 

&gt; its website (

&gt; 

http://www.phoenix.com/en/Products/Browse+by+Products/Phoenix+HyperSpace/def

ault.htm),

&gt; and certainly doesn't provide any source code. I am not sure what 

&gt; motherboards Hyperspace is distributed on, but I would expect that 

&gt; they

also

&gt; fail to mention Linux, the GPL and the availability of source code. 

&gt; This again violates the GPL and the copyrights of Linux kernel 

&gt; contributors

like

&gt; yourselves.

&gt; 

&gt; I urge you to uphold your copyrights and protect the rights of Free 

&gt; Software users by making unscrupulous companies like ASUS and Phoenix 

&gt; respect the conditions set out by the GPL and give back their 

&gt; improvements in the form of source code. And if they refuse, sue them 

&gt; in court! Some of the improvements to Linux that they try to illegally 

&gt; keep secret would really help distros in areas such as hardware 

&gt; support and extremely quick boot time.

&gt; 

&gt; Thanks,

&gt; Stan

&gt; 

 
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&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;Hi, &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;I work for DeviceVM, the company that makes =
Splashtop,
and would like to respond to the concerns about our use of open source =
code.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;While we appreciate your concern, we feel it is
misplaced. We would like to direct your attention to the Splashtop
documentation provided with every motherboard, which includes Third =
Party
Software Credits (&lt;a =
href=3D&quot;http://www.splashtop.com/credits/02.html&quot;&gt;http://www.splashtop.co=
m/credits/02.html&lt;/a&gt;).
The credits contain a copy of the GPL along with links to the open =
source projects
that Splashtop leverages. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;DeviceVM is happy to fulfill our obligations =
under the
GPL as promised therein. We already offer our patches to the open source
projects at &lt;a =
href=3D&quot;http://www.splashtop.com/developer.php&quot;&gt;http://www.splashtop.com/=
developer.php&lt;/a&gt;
and are in the process of releasing full source online in one place. =
&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;Thank you for your continued interest in the =
Splashtop
products,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;Sergei Krupenin&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;DeviceVM&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;* Please note: my emails to the mailing list =
bounce, probably
because I am a new member. So I am responding directly to people who =
have been
involved in the thread. *&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Stan =
Cunningham &amp;lt;stan.cunningham
at yahoo.com&amp;gt; wrote:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Hi,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; SplashTop is an extension of BIOS that runs =
on the
Linux kernel and &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; has been distributed by ASUS on certain =
high-end
motherboards and &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; laptops&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;since&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; October, 2007. In May 2008, ASUS announced =
that it
will ship SplashTop &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; on&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; *ALL* its motherboards. The problem is that =
ever
since SplashTop's&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;inception&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; ASUS has been infringing on the copyright =
of Linux
kernel contributors.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; SplashTop's so-called source code =
(&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&lt;a
href=3D&quot;http://www.splashtop.com/download3.php?token=3D1bfb156d0cd5fef5df=
4a43ad2b46a53&quot;&gt;http://www.splashtop.com/download3.php?token=3D1bfb156d0cd=
5fef5df4a43ad2b46a53&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;1)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; contains a few patches to the Linux kernel =
but not
the whole, &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; compilable modified kernel source code as =
the GPL
requires. This &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; clearly constitutes&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;a&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; copyright violation.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; I haven't bought any of the motherboards or =
laptops
containing &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; SplashTop, but ASUS may have left out the =
obligatory
notice on boxes &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; and/or manuals informing the recipients =
that the product
contains GPL &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; code and where that source code can be =
obtained. If
they indeed left &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; out the notice, that constitutes another =
violation
of the GPL and &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; consequently of copyright&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;law.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Another product that likely violates the =
GPL is
Hyperspace, which is &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; marketed by the infamous proprietary PC =
BIOS maker
Phoenix. Even &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; though Hyperspace clearly runs Linux and =
has been
reported to do so in &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; the press, Phoenix doesn't even mention the =
word
Linux or the GPL on &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; its website (&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&lt;a
href=3D&quot;http://www.phoenix.com/en/Products/Browse+by+Products/Phoenix+Hyp=
erSpace/def&quot;&gt;http://www.phoenix.com/en/Products/Browse+by+Products/Phoeni=
x+HyperSpace/def&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;ault.htm),&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; and certainly doesn't provide any source =
code. I am
not sure what &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; motherboards Hyperspace is distributed on, =
but I
would expect that &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; they&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;also&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; fail to mention Linux, the GPL and the =
availability
of source code. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; This again violates the GPL and the =
copyrights of
Linux kernel &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; contributors&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;like&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; yourselves.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; I urge you to uphold your copyrights and =
protect the
rights of Free &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Software users by making unscrupulous =
companies like
ASUS and Phoenix &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; respect the conditions set out by the GPL =
and give
back their &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; improvements in the form of source code. =
And if they
refuse, sue them &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; in court! Some of the improvements to Linux =
that
they try to illegally &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; keep secret would really help distros in =
areas such
as hardware &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; support and extremely quick boot =
time.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt; Stan&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoPlainText&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=3DMsoNormal&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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