From armijn at uulug.nl Thu May 28 10:40:25 2009 From: armijn at uulug.nl (Armijn Hemel) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:40:25 +0200 Subject: Fwd: mysql In-Reply-To: <7dc12d290904270439t571be2ccxe45a9825acdd9537@mail.gmail.com> References: <7dc12d290904270437ra9a3ed1g5b7a70e1e58101cb@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290904270439t571be2ccxe45a9825acdd9537@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1243500025.2640.10.camel@cletus.local> hi, > i got a question for you: how is posible that mysql has got 2 > licenses ? > > the first one is the GNU General Public License and then it has got a > proprietary EULA. > > a free software, can be at the same time proprietary ? > > for me not Dual licensing software is very common. The copyright holder of the software (in this case MySQL) can do whatever it want with the code and change the license per recipient. armijn -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- armijn at uulug.nl | http://www.uulug.nl/ | UULug: Utrecht Linux Users Group ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From curriegrad2004 at gmail.com Thu May 28 09:27:20 2009 From: curriegrad2004 at gmail.com (curriegrad2004) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:27:20 -0700 Subject: GooerRDP for iPhone - GPL violation In-Reply-To: <4b126e1e0904150528q3c953c00l554c917351627762@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b126e1e0904150528q3c953c00l554c917351627762@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: They would have to release the source code for the GPL'd portions, but the rest I am not too sure on this issue. Have you contacted them to notify of their wrongdoings yet? On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Vinz Focker wrote: > Hi! > > Company Gooer offers a remote desktop service (similar to LogMeIn et > al.) based on the RDP protocol. > Recently they have released an iPhone / iPod Touch client in the Apple > App Store called 'GooerRDP'. > > This app is free (they charge for the service though) and the binary > clearly reveals that it contains code from several GPL'd software > projects: > WinAdmin, rdesktop and CoRD which are all GPL'd RDP clients for > different platforms. > > After downloading the app to the Mac/PC using iTunes you can grep for > the rdesktop/CoRD/WinAdmin symbol names and you will find tons of > matches: > Global rdesktop variables, iso/tcp/mcs/rdp layer functions, common > object file names, etc. > > Neither in the app store page nor in the included documentation or on > the web site Gooer writes that their product contains GPL software. > They do not make the source code available and they do not include a > written offer to the source. > > Of course I first wrote to Gooer and gave them a chance to avoid > public disclosure of the issue but I did not get any answer except > from autoreplies which thanked me for my interest in their services. > > > Here are some links: > > Gooer web site: > http://www.gooer.com > > Gooer iPhone page (only linked from the iPhone app): > http://www.gooer.com/iphone/ > > iTunes Store-URL: > http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=308568112&mt=8 > > A copy of the iTunes Store-URL page that does not require iTunes to read: > http://appshopper.com/utilities/gooerrdp > > > Best regards, > Vinz > > From jfwfreo at tpgi.com.au Thu May 28 12:19:52 2009 From: jfwfreo at tpgi.com.au (Jonathan Wilson) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:19:52 +0800 Subject: GooerRDP for iPhone - GPL violation In-Reply-To: References: <4b126e1e0904150528q3c953c00l554c917351627762@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A1E6548.8080200@tpgi.com.au> By the terms of the GPL they are required to distribute source code for any binaries that are linked against GPL code or cease distributing those binaries. Being an App Store app, there is only one binary (AFAIK) so the source code for it has to be distributed. The iPhone SDK libraries are ok because they fall under the GPL "os/compiler" exemption. The OP said he contacted the company and they did not respond. One option (since this is an Apple App Store app) is for someone with standing (i.e. someone owning copyright on the GPL code in question) to contact Apple and ask that the App be removed (its happened before with violations of 3rd party IP on the App Store) From GNUtoo at no-log.org Thu May 28 15:06:45 2009 From: GNUtoo at no-log.org (GNUtoo) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:06:45 +0200 Subject: Fwd: mysql In-Reply-To: <7dc12d290904270439t571be2ccxe45a9825acdd9537@mail.gmail.com> References: <7dc12d290904270437ra9a3ed1g5b7a70e1e58101cb@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290904270439t571be2ccxe45a9825acdd9537@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1243516005.8542.0.camel@port4> On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 13:39 +0200, paolo del bene wrote: > > > > > > i got a question for you: how is posible that mysql has got 2 > licenses ? > > the first one is the GNU General Public License and then it has got a > proprietary EULA. > > a free software, can be at the same time proprietary ? > > for me not > > awaiting your reply, > > hapy hacking > > paolo > > simply because they have the ownership of the code. Denis. From ninuxpdb at gmail.com Sat May 30 00:33:47 2009 From: ninuxpdb at gmail.com (paolo del bene) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:33:47 +0200 Subject: Fwd: mysql In-Reply-To: <7dc12d290905291530j4658fa29n502d082386c785b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <7dc12d290904270437ra9a3ed1g5b7a70e1e58101cb@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290904270439t571be2ccxe45a9825acdd9537@mail.gmail.com> <30dfe2a80905280528ia9e171wb1cb7198175b7e76@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290905290251v4177e45fwde8b67a71d5d77cd@mail.gmail.com> <30dfe2a80905290450h1b1615f3rb53f334ddd31ff86@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290905291530j4658fa29n502d082386c785b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7dc12d290905291533p646eda76jc4e7044d0e3159e2@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: paolo del bene Date: 2009/5/30 Subject: Fwd: mysql To: twaffle at gmail.com i never insulted you, now i send copy of the e-mail to policeman, Richard Matthew Stallman, to Minister of Communications, i wait in an hurry your apologies. * * * * * Umm, you're obviously an idiot.* Postgresql is licensed under the BSD license, which more or less allows anyone to use it in any way they want, so long as they put a one line 'contains code developed by Postgresql'. Oh, and while you're on the subject, mSql is ALSO a dual licensed project. -- -- Thomas then BSD License does not means nothing, which BSD License ? the BSD License called too FreeBSD License ? because FreeBSD License is compatible with the GNU General Public License. you can watch http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/attachments/20090530/661f94e3/attachment.html From armijn at uulug.nl Sat May 30 01:05:21 2009 From: armijn at uulug.nl (Armijn Hemel) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 01:05:21 +0200 Subject: Fwd: mysql In-Reply-To: <7dc12d290905291533p646eda76jc4e7044d0e3159e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7dc12d290904270437ra9a3ed1g5b7a70e1e58101cb@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290904270439t571be2ccxe45a9825acdd9537@mail.gmail.com> <30dfe2a80905280528ia9e171wb1cb7198175b7e76@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290905290251v4177e45fwde8b67a71d5d77cd@mail.gmail.com> <30dfe2a80905290450h1b1615f3rb53f334ddd31ff86@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290905291530j4658fa29n502d082386c785b9@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290905291533p646eda76jc4e7044d0e3159e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1243638321.16018.9.camel@cletus.local> On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 00:33 +0200, paolo del bene wrote: > > i never insulted you, now i send copy of the e-mail to policeman, > Richard > Matthew Stallman, to Minister of Communications, i wait in an hurry > your > apologies. Alright, quit it you guys, because there is no need for this. As was said before, dual licensingis by the *copyright holder* is legal. This is what MySQL does, this is what Nokia does (Qt 4.5 is actually triple licensed), and so on. Mr. Stallman will not deny this. He might think it is unethical to release it under any other license than GPL or LGPL, but that is a whole other debate, for which there are other lists. The fundamental basis for the validity of the GPL license is copyright. Free Software does not contradict with copyright, on the contrary. As with everything that falls under copyright: the copyright holder can decide what to do with it. He might decide to distribute it to some people under GPL, to some people under BSD, Artistic, or Beerware license and sell it to others as proprietary software. Legally there is nothing wrong with that. There are a few texts you might want to read first and that might help clarify your questions. I would recommend this book to start with: http://www.rosenlaw.com/oslbook.htm armijn -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- armijn at uulug.nl | http://www.uulug.nl/ | UULug: Utrecht Linux Users Group ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From twaffle at gmail.com Sat May 30 01:45:27 2009 From: twaffle at gmail.com (Thomas Charron) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:45:27 -0400 Subject: Fwd: mysql In-Reply-To: <1243638321.16018.9.camel@cletus.local> References: <7dc12d290904270437ra9a3ed1g5b7a70e1e58101cb@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290904270439t571be2ccxe45a9825acdd9537@mail.gmail.com> <30dfe2a80905280528ia9e171wb1cb7198175b7e76@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290905290251v4177e45fwde8b67a71d5d77cd@mail.gmail.com> <30dfe2a80905290450h1b1615f3rb53f334ddd31ff86@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290905291530j4658fa29n502d082386c785b9@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290905291533p646eda76jc4e7044d0e3159e2@mail.gmail.com> <1243638321.16018.9.camel@cletus.local> Message-ID: <30dfe2a80905291645h15393ea9nf9775f3e9b75d45c@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Armijn Hemel wrote: > On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 00:33 +0200, paolo del bene wrote: >> i never insulted you, now i send copy of the e-mail to policeman, >> Richard >> Matthew Stallman, to Minister of Communications, i wait in an hurry >> your >> apologies. > Alright, quit it you guys, because there is no need for this. I took it off list. *shrug* He had sent another message which was entirely wrong, spouting off the benifits of the GPL, but then using mSQL and Postgresql as examples, neither of which is licensed under the GPL. Below is the original message, which prompted the conversation: ------ Included message: From: paolo del bene Subject: Fwd: mysql To: twaffle at gmail.com if is GNU General Public License, they can use the GNU General Public License to sell the software is n to true ? dual license, blah, at this point i prefeer postgree and msql, but not mysql. and then if a software is GNU General Public License, you can not to take the source code, close the project and to sell with a non free software commercial license. is more less offensive if they realize a fork for one of two projects, but it is not a good things for any user, developer... the hackers develop source code, they close the project and then sell the software with the same modifications that are distributed too under the GNU General Public License. At this point why to use a non free software ? will be a software the day that will be released only as GNU General Public License. i try to use it on GNU/linux Deb-Ian but nothing happen, bye bye mysql !!!! better postgree and msql -- -- Thomas From ninuxpdb at gmail.com Sat May 30 08:03:08 2009 From: ninuxpdb at gmail.com (paolo del bene) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:03:08 +0200 Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) In-Reply-To: <001636c5a7e8dc2c42046b15abfd@googlemail.com> References: <30dfe2a80905291645h15393ea9nf9775f3e9b75d45c@mail.gmail.com> <001636c5a7e8dc2c42046b15abfd@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <7dc12d290905292303i35125a94pf4336d0b2e3da9f2@mail.gmail.com> not all the BSD License are compatible with the GNU General Public License, and infact only the FreeBSD License is compatible with the GNU General Public License. again, you have not specify, which license is used by postgreesql, to say BSD License has not sense. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses Modified BSD license (Note: on the preceding link, the modified BSD license is listed in the * General* section.) This is the original BSD license, modified by removal of the advertising clause. It is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, compatible with the GNU GPL. If you want a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, the modified BSD license is a reasonable choice. However, it is risky to recommend use of ?the BSD license?, because confusion could easily occur and lead to use of the flawed *original* BSD license. To avoid this risk, you can suggest the X11 license instead. The X11 license and the revised BSD license are more or less equivalent. This license is sometimes referred to as the 3-clause BSD license. The Clear BSD License This is a free software license, compatible with both GPLv2 and GPLv3. It is based on the modified BSD license, and adds a term expressly stating it does not grant you any patent licenses. Because of this, we encourage you to be careful about using software under this license; you should first consider whether the licensor might want to sue you for patent infringement. If the developer is disclaiming patent licenses to set up a trap for you, it would be wise to avoid the program. FreeBSD license This is the original BSD license with the advertising clause and another clause removed. (It is also sometimes called the ?2-clause BSD license?.) It is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, compatible with the GNU GPL. If you want a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, the FreeBSD license is a reasonable choice. However, please don't call it a ?BSD? or ?BSD-style? license, because that is likely to cause confusion which could lead to use of the flawed *original* BSD license . Original BSD license (Note: on the preceding link, the original BSD license is listed in the * UCB/LBL* section. This license is also sometimes called the ?4-clause BSD license?.) This is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license with a serious flaw: the ?obnoxious BSD advertising clause?. The flaw is not fatal; that is, it does not render the software non-free. But it does cause practical problems , including incompatibility with the GNU GPL. We urge you not to use the original BSD license for software you write. If you want to use a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, it is much better to use the modified BSD licenseor the X11 license. However, there is no reason not to use programs that have been released under the original BSD license. Please send FSF & GNU inquiries to *gnu at gnu.org* . There are also other ways to contact the FSF. Please send broken links and other corrections or suggestions to * webmasters at gnu.org* . Please see the Translations READMEfor information on coordinating and submitting translations of this article. 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URL: http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/attachments/20090531/e84104e8/attachment.htm From dam at baltic-online.de Sun May 31 21:59:32 2009 From: dam at baltic-online.de (Dagobert Michelsen) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:59:32 +0200 Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) In-Reply-To: <7dc12d290905311045q347e5340i3e0539730fb07508@mail.gmail.com> References: <30dfe2a80905291645h15393ea9nf9775f3e9b75d45c@mail.gmail.com> <001636c5a7e8dc2c42046b15abfd@googlemail.com> <7dc12d290905292303i35125a94pf4336d0b2e3da9f2@mail.gmail.com> <30dfe2a80905300529v3a954fc5i950d094adbdc2244@mail.gmail.com> <7dc12d290905311045q347e5340i3e0539730fb07508@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Paolo, Am 31.05.2009 um 19:45 schrieb paolo del bene: > i reply to you with the words of Free Software Foundation: > > http://directory.fsf.org/project/postgresql A few issues: 1. Please adjust the subject to refer to the contents of the post 2. If you comment on threads please cite the parts you are referring to 3. I guess you comment on this: > not all the BSD License are compatible with the GNU General Public > License, and infact only the FreeBSD License is compatible with > the GNU General Public License. > again, you have not specify, which license is used by postgreesql, > to say BSD License has not sense." When I open the webpage you are referring to it says: License(s): BSD, X11 If you want to make a statement, please say explicitly what you want to say. Kind regards -- Dagobert Michelsen PS: Please make sure you read before making further posts. It will help you getting a meaningful response in the future.