From hector.oron at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 17:24:08 2009 From: hector.oron at gmail.com (Hector Oron) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:24:08 +0100 Subject: =?Big5?B?UmU6IKZewtA6IEdMLTc0MCBzdXBwb3J0?= In-Reply-To: <567FCF70CC9C40F0A4DD63FD2686B239@userPC> References: <567FCF70CC9C40F0A4DD63FD2686B239@userPC> Message-ID: Hello Vic, Since our last query about you releasing the code you have used under GPL, you pointed you were willing to release it, but no evidence after all this past time. Is your company playing a game with us? Saying 'yes' and not doing anything? Let me carbon copy now, gpl-violations.org legal list to know about your affairs: This company, g-netbook[1] is using u-boot, linux kernel and GNU application software (like busybox among others) to deliver their MIPS based products, without giving the sources, clearly violating GPL license. This company provide a way to do updates and keep an on-line binary-only repository[2]. Please, Vic, free software community just want to see your code, not to compete with you but to help you out improving your software (only posible if sources are open). You have not had a negative argument, but you just have done nothing at the moment, what are you waiting for? [1] http://g-netbook.com/ [2] Jonas Smedegaard's anathomy On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 09:50:44AM +0000, An?bal Monsalve Salazar wrote: Using the browser, file:///proc/cmdline shows that the laptop has a serial console: Same way can also (simpler than how I initially found it) reveal access to upgrade server: file:///etc/vannov/server.conf Packages there are (according to file:///share/vannov/live_upgrade ) all applied except the latest VP140004.VP which contains new access data for another account at same server. A couple of php files at the root of the ftp server hints that the update routines might have been intended to run at http://www.g-netbook.com/ (instead of the bogus 192.168.1.248 ip). There is a cPanel site at http://www.g-netbook.com:2082/ which is also mentioned in the PHP files, but the update URLs seems to not exist at the http server. The data format of the files are same as Debian .deb, so can be unpacked with command like "ar vx VP140004.VP". Seems developed by a Simon M. Vannov . One user complains about access to differently labeld machine authored by same Vannov: http://www.softwarelibrecr.org/node/711 I have now published machine contents and update-server packages here: http://dr.jones.dk/~jonas/vannov/ **** Not working anymore, as this is also releasing binaries without source MTD 4 is the active filesystem: "Vannov System Release 0.2.0 2008-11-23" according to /etc/vannov/version.txt. /dev/tty1 is configured in /etc/inittab and it seems from /etc/init.d/postinstall.sh that /dev/tty0 is administrative stdout and /dev/tty1 is stdin. /etc/init.d/rcS cleans /dev/ttyUSB* which indicates that perhaps those admin TTYs are provided by a USB-to-serial device. MTD 3 is a busybox-only system: "vannov's filesystem recover system" according to /usr/sbin/recover_system which is invoked from /etc/init.d/rcS and after confirmation on /dev/tty1 erases MTD 4 and applies /filesystem/vannov-linux-1.0.tar.bz2 - containing a full duplicate of the current contents of MTD 4. MTD 0-2 fails to mount as yaffs (MTD 3-4 use yaffs, not jffs2!), so they probably contain bootloader, kernel and initramfs. Help extracting those would be much appreciated, as the initramfs can probably tell about cheat codes and perhaps more user-friendly ways to get access than invoking telnetd through epdfview. I tried Hector's referenced dd'ing of mtdblock devices but they all turned out empty (and not only because I don't have yaffs to remount again at the other end: gzip compression of the dumps were suspiciously effective!). /etc/passwd on MTD 3 contains accounts with fullname "added by portage for dbus" and "added by portage for hal", hinting about the origin of that part being Gentoo. ---------------------------------- 2009/9/30 Vic at GNB : > Great to receiving email from you. let me talk to my team and get back to > you soon after 7 days long holiday in China. > > I would really like to know more idea from the possibility that how we can > cooperate with your group? would you mind to introduce more about your > group, team or members...etc. > > Look forward to hearing more from you soon, thank you so much for your > inquiry! > > B. Regards, > > Vic Lee > E.V.P. > G-Soft Shenzhen Electronics Co., Ltd. > TEL: +86 755 82910057 ?FAX: 82910067 > > KINGYUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD. > TEL: +886 2 8797-5899 ? FAX: 8797-3030 > No. 52, Lane 188, Ruiguang Rd., Neihu Dist,11491 Taipei City R.O.C > > Voice TW: +886 910-391766 > CN: +86 134 2379 0077 > SKYPE: tv0827 > MSN: viclee777 at hotmail.com > www.G-netbook.com----- ????----- ???: "Hector Oron" > ???: > ??: "An?bal Monsalve Salazar" ; "Andrew Lee" > ; > ????: 2009?9?29? ?? 04:37 > ??: GL-740 support > > > Hello mister, > > ?A group of developers have bought your netbook GL-740, we'd be glad > to ccoperate with you developing for the netbook, but we have found > that, there is no access to a shell in system. You also do not provide > source code, nor patches to mainline code to be able to work on the > device. > > ?Would you mind to share, bootloader, kernel and rootfs source code > as GPL license states? ?What about accesing a terminal (shell) in the > netbook, is it posible? > > ?We would be interested on running Debian[1] distribution in your device. > > Thanks in advance! > > [1] http://www.debian.org > -- > H?ctor Or?n > -- H?ctor Or?n "Our Sun unleashes tremendous flares expelling hot gas into the Solar System, which one day will disconnect us." From al at blogmail.cc Tue Dec 8 11:10:09 2009 From: al at blogmail.cc (al) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:10:09 +0100 Subject: Mikrotik source Message-ID: <4B1E2601.9060001@blogmail.cc> Hello. We're using Mikrotik with RouterOS and we know is true that everything else is missing. This is only a little and old part of a lot of GPL software there are selling without release source code. http://www.routerboard.com/files/linux-2.4.31.zip What can we do? > mr schrieb: >> no, not without further information. What makes you think it's running >> linux? What router is it? (please give a link to the product page). If >> it's running linux, have you asked them for the source code? >> >Mikrotik OS is fully based on linux. some kernel sources are provided in the past for the RB532. but everything else (which is alot) is missing. >Sebastian >> Regards, >> >> Alan >> >> On Feb 17, 2008 2:29 AM, Andr? Machado wrote: >> >>> Hi every body. >>> I try to find the source code of RouterOS (Mikrotik) but can't get any >>> notice about... some body knows? From al at blogmail.cc Tue Dec 8 10:46:21 2009 From: al at blogmail.cc (al) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:46:21 +0100 Subject: Mikrotik source Message-ID: <4B1E206D.4060300@blogmail.cc> Hello. We're using Mikrotik with RouterOS and we know is true that everything else is missing. This is only a little and old part of a lot of GPL software there are selling without release source code. http://www.routerboard.com/files/linux-2.4.31.zip What can we do? > mr schrieb: >> no, not without further information. What makes you think it's running >> linux? What router is it? (please give a link to the product page). If >> it's running linux, have you asked them for the source code? >> >Mikrotik OS is fully based on linux. some kernel sources are provided in the past for the RB532. but everything else (which is alot) is missing. >Sebastian >> Regards, >> >> Alan >> >> On Feb 17, 2008 2:29 AM, Andr? Machado wrote: >> >>> Hi every body. >>> I try to find the source code of RouterOS (Mikrotik) but can't get any >>> notice about... some body knows? 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From gustavo.marmol at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 18:54:01 2009 From: gustavo.marmol at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Gustavo_G=2E_M=E1rmol=22?=) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:54:01 -0300 Subject: legal Digest, Vol 61, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B1E92B9.8020302@gmail.com> legal-request at lists.gpl-violations.org escribi?: > Send legal mailing list submissions to > legal at lists.gpl-violations.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.gpl-violations.org/mailman/listinfo/legal > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > legal-request at lists.gpl-violations.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > legal-owner at lists.gpl-violations.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of legal digest..." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mikrotik source (al) > 2. Re: Mikrotik source (al) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Asunto: > Re: Mikrotik source > De: > al > Fecha: > Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:10:09 +0100 > A: > legal at lists.gpl-violations.org > > A: > legal at lists.gpl-violations.org > > > Hello. > > We're using Mikrotik with RouterOS and we know is true that everything > else is missing. > > This is only a little and old part of a lot of GPL software there are > selling without release source code. > > http://www.routerboard.com/files/linux-2.4.31.zip > > What can we do? I do not whether you had the chance to see the link below http://www.mikrotik.com/pdf/MT_Manual.pdf They said that: This software is provided by the regents and contributors "as is" and any express or implied warranties, including, but not limited to, the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose are disclaimed. bash, boa, dialog, e2fsprogs, fileutils, getty_ps, gzip, modutils, mount, net-tools, procps, shellutils, sysklogd, sysvinit, tar, textutils, updated, util-linux - *For the above GPL licensed programs in accordance with the GPL license, Mikrotikls _offers to organize a copy of the source code or it can be found on most standard Linux distributions_. Write support at mikrotik.com* for more information. glibc, libstdc++, ncurses, termcap - For the above LGPL licensed programs in accordance with the LGPL license, Mikrotikls offers to organize a copy of the source code or it can be found on most standard Linux distributions. Write support at mikrotik.com for more information. I think this is not to comply with the GPL terms...I do not how you see that... Cheers, Gustavo G. M?rmol. > >> mr schrieb: >>> no, not without further information. What makes you think it's running >>> linux? What router is it? (please give a link to the product page). If >>> it's running linux, have you asked them for the source code? >>> >> Mikrotik OS is fully based on linux. some kernel sources are provided in > the past for the RB532. but everything else > (which is alot) is missing. > >> Sebastian >>> Regards, >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> On Feb 17, 2008 2:29 AM, Andr? Machado >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi every body. >>>> I try to find the source code of RouterOS (Mikrotik) but can't get >>>> any >>>> notice about... some body knows? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Asunto: > Re: Mikrotik source > De: > al > Fecha: > Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:46:21 +0100 > A: > legal at lists.gpl-violations.org > > A: > legal at lists.gpl-violations.org > > > Hello. > > We're using Mikrotik with RouterOS and we know is true that everything > else is missing. > > This is only a little and old part of a lot of GPL software there are > selling without release source code. > > http://www.routerboard.com/files/linux-2.4.31.zip > > What can we do? > > > mr schrieb: > >> no, not without further information. What makes you think it's running > >> linux? What router is it? (please give a link to the product page). If > >> it's running linux, have you asked them for the source code? > >> > >Mikrotik OS is fully based on linux. some kernel sources are provided in > the past for the RB532. but everything else > (which is alot) is missing. > > >Sebastian > >> Regards, > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> On Feb 17, 2008 2:29 AM, Andr? Machado > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi every body. > >>> I try to find the source code of RouterOS (Mikrotik) but can't > get any > >>> notice about... some body knows? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > legal mailing list > legal at lists.gpl-violations.org > https://lists.gpl-violations.org/mailman/listinfo/legal > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/attachments/20091208/9f1df54c/attachment.htm From pbrobinson at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 10:42:51 2009 From: pbrobinson at gmail.com (Peter Robinson) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:42:51 +0000 Subject: O2 Joggler Message-ID: <5256d0b0912100142k726b823fsea6cdaa0e7193e66@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I just thought I'd let everyone know that after contacting O2 for a copy of the source code for the O2 Joggler (a re-badged OpenPeak product) I eventually received a copy of the code via CD the other day. O2 were very good about it but were dealing with the vendor. I've made the code available at the link below for those that wish to investigate it further as I'm not sure how complete it is. The OS is based on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. Cheers, Peter Tar file http://fedora.roving-it.com/GPL/openpeak-O2-R3.src.tgz Directory structure in tar file is as follows: alsa alsa-driver-idt alsa-driver-linuxant busybox-1.10.4 faad2 ffmpeg-0.5.2 linux-2.6.24-19-lpia OpenAL ortp PlatinumUPnP SDL-1.2 UbuntuInfo.txt From ninuxpdb at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 07:42:49 2009 From: ninuxpdb at gmail.com (paolo del bene) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:42:49 +0100 Subject: Fwd: http://hotspot.medianix.it sent to info@unimedia.it at 20:36 10 december 2009 Message-ID: <7dc12d290912102242h3cddd9b0p24b38c1bded3a2bc@mail.gmail.com> Dear Unixmedia, By this I learn that you are marketing hot sposts was based on GNU/linux, would be my great pleasure to learn if you put inside the package a copy of the GNU General Public License Version 2 used by the linux kernel and if you put even a copy of the operating system GNU/linux on cd/dvd. Without it, you must provide to put on a http, ftp, cvs, svn, torrent official GNU/linux distribution in use, it is always better to put a cd/dvd, and provides to give communications where is possible to download the source code *.src and binary *.bin whic distribution are you using ? If the distribution is on various http, ftp, cvs, svn, torrent, then there is no problem, because obviously there is always that you tell where are the sources and binaries, would be good that you put at least a link that points to the distribution in use. If however you have used a GNU/linux distribution and you've made your changes and do not you are providing to distribute your changes, then it could be judged as a violation of the GNU General Public License, which requires that source code should be distributed, it is not possible make their software and market it without distributing the source code. So please tell me what are your current positions in this regard. I do not like then you are using the operating system GNU/linux "in line with the anti-terrorist legislation and privacy. Ideal for accommodation facilities and public places like hotels, bars, small / medium office." Partly because my goal is to broaden the use of the operating system GNU/linux not only academics, but demonstrate that "consistent with the anti-terrorism laws and privacy, are a farce," it may be valid for Mac OS X and Windows, but not it can be for the others Unix-like operating systems that they make use of a log, which lists every single mac address to connect to the network, and therefore there is no reason for having to follow the law, which is now not even like more Pisanu! see: http://www.zeusnews.com/index.php3?ar=stampa&cod=11534 for translations in english: http://translate.google.it/translate?hl=it&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeusnews.com%2Findex.php3%3Far%3Dstampa%26cod%3D11534 The operating system GNU/linux as free software with its own ethics, combating all forms of restrictions, restrictions which you are applying. I hope you want to read this text, so you will learn what the TELCO are doing about Freedom of Expression: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+TA+P6-TA-2006-0324+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN Texts adopted Thursday, July 6, 2006 - Strasbourg Freedom of expression on the Internet download in *. pdf (unfortunately) European Parliament resolution on freedom of expression on the Internet J. whereas Chinese government has successfully persuaded companies such as Yahoo, Google and Microsoft to facilitate the censorship of their services in the Chinese internet market; also notes that other governments have required the means for censorship from other companies; K. whereas equipment and technologies supplied by Western companies such as CISCO Systems, Telecom Italia, Wanadoo, a subsidiary of France Telecom have been used by governments for the purpose of censoring the Internet preventing freedom of expression; L. whereas US legislators introduced a bill in February 2006, the Global On-line Freedom Act, aimed at regulating the activities of Internet businesses when they operate in repressive countries; I hope you have put a http, ftp, cvs, svn, torrent on your server so that any can download the distribution used for the hot spots, but if you have made changes and you do not have distributed the source code, then you are violating the GNU General Public License and so or you published the source code or continue to violate the GNU General Public License, as long as the Free Software Foundation does not learn the news. If you are not using any modified version of any GNU/linux then you must publish the URL on the homepage of reference where get sources and binaries used for the hotspot, so you will not have problems for violation of the GNU General Public License. Pending your reply, I offer you my greetings, Paolol Del Bene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/attachments/20091211/83600f4d/attachment.htm From ninuxpdb at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 08:19:59 2009 From: ninuxpdb at gmail.com (paolo del bene) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:19:59 +0100 Subject: http://hotspot.medianix.it/ In-Reply-To: <629c910c0912102246l76b6ea1aife0a09eb7f7ab261@mail.gmail.com> References: <629c910c0912101136i5ecfc0cdq5882f633f767ae52@mail.gmail.com> <20091210225842.GA14867@dedalo.nexlab.thc> <629c910c0912102246l76b6ea1aife0a09eb7f7ab261@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7dc12d290912102319s5b7f9d90s7d8ef84ed883f10e@mail.gmail.com> > > 10 dicember 2009 23.58, Unixmedia S.r.l. wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 08:36:24PM +0100, paolo delbene wrote: >> >> Good Morning, > We know very well the details of the license of all software, GNU and >> not, included in our facilities, we are not only users of open source > > > software, but also active in collaboration of reality 'Community that > > will revolve around, even releasing ourselves much of our software under free licenses such as the GPL (v2 is that v3), LGPL, BSD and others. In particular way the distribution we use, as well specified in our website, and 'based on the distribution GNU/linux Debian (http://www.debian.org), starting from which we add a range of packages, some of which simply recompiled, others packages version from upstream, and more written entirely by us. With the exception of some pieces of code written by us and not yet issued and configuration and integration we made, al lthey are publicly released in full spirit of open source right the stage of development through our site and our Trac SVN accessible to everyone for reading, and linked in our website main in the "developer / developers. I allow to correct you. The GPL is not expected, however, that, and ' sufficient to make available the source only when required, and 'therefore perfectly reasonable not to put them online and send them, even via email for example, only if someone requests it. However, as mentioned 'above, our policy and' to maintain till the developing of our SVN fully accessible, then go beyond the requirements. Is declared that our distribution and based on Debian and correctly linked to our site. I hope that now our position is clear, we operate in open source and Linux World away from '94, and our staff is consisting linux entusiasts. I agree with his thinking in this direction, and we judge the Pisanu law bad for our country. However, today, the law clearly says that you need some requirements to install public access points, and we, as a company operating in that sector, we may not agree but we inevitably provide a product that is in line with the terms of law. At the time that the Pisanu law decay, we will be the first to rejoice and take immediate action to modify our product in accordance with the new requirements. Sincerely Franco Lanza >> UnixMedia - Media Convergence Solutions >> http://www.unixmedia.it >> e-mail: info at unixmedia.it > > > Fax: +39 02 45413905 >> Office: +39 02 45413904 > > > Mobile Phone: +39 339 8125940 >> Milano - Italy >> >> NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org >> you can download my public key at: >> http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers >> Key ID = D6132D50 >> Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 >> ----------------------------------- >> echo >> 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq >> | dc >> ----------------------------------- >> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkshfSIACgkQ3+31gNYTLVDkjwCgrbdL+CdET39OuPxercmZGzAD >> /p8AoMUOPPw5jAXee+86rLNlm5cHHZqF >> =MIXZ >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/attachments/20091211/6891187c/attachment-0001.htm From ninuxpdb at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 08:27:02 2009 From: ninuxpdb at gmail.com (paolo del bene) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:27:02 +0100 Subject: http://hotspot.medianix.it/ In-Reply-To: <629c910c0912102247w61399d36o5eaaeea32aa1eb76@mail.gmail.com> References: <629c910c0912101136i5ecfc0cdq5882f633f767ae52@mail.gmail.com> <20091210225842.GA14867@dedalo.nexlab.thc> <629c910c0912101515pf2f17bbjdbc6088cd8994e46@mail.gmail.com> <20091210233102.GA26385@dedalo.nexlab.thc> <629c910c0912102247w61399d36o5eaaeea32aa1eb76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7dc12d290912102327y600adad7o52ad10d8cdeadd83@mail.gmail.com> December 11, 2009 00:31, Unixmedia Ltd. wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:15:28 AM +0100, Paolo DelBene wrote: > I do not use PGP to GPG it, but if I were to use a system > Crypto GPG choose without doubt or quantum cryptography > Developed on IBM hardware (unfortunately) in Geneva, on quantum hardware In fact we use normally GPG. > Greetings > > PS: I read that she adheres to the TCPA, so is it also your hardwareUntrusted? Absolutely yes ! Franco Lanza UnixMedia - Media Convergence Solutions http://www.unixmedia.it e-mail: info at unixmedia.it Fax: +39 02 45413905 Office: +39 02 45413904 Mobile Phone: +39 339 8125940 > Milan - Italy >> >> NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org >> you can download my public key at: >> http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers >> Key ID = D6132D50 >> Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 >> ----------------------------------- >> echo >> 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq >> | dc >> ----------------------------------- >> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkshhLYACgkQ3+31gNYTLVDUKQCePBXL32nM/4uQZxZjLLHyY1LO >> FBAAn1egNiYLwErvqs8x+ki4t9ZIQOHN >> =eRWV >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/attachments/20091211/6346758f/attachment.htm From al at blogmail.cc Fri Dec 11 14:37:28 2009 From: al at blogmail.cc (al) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:37:28 +0100 Subject: Mikrotik source In-Reply-To: <4B1E2601.9060001@blogmail.cc> References: <4B1E2601.9060001@blogmail.cc> Message-ID: <4B224B18.9050000@blogmail.cc> I think we can make a version of text that Paolo sent to Unixmedia to send to Mikrotik. They are using GNU/Linux and they make changes and they don't providing to distribute their changes, then it could be judged as a violation of the GNU General Public License, which requires that source code should be distributed, it is not possible make their software and market it without distributing the source code. But I need some help, my english is not good and I don't know about legal expressions. If you want, we're work in text in our wiki: http://wiki.guifi.net/wiki/index.php/Contact_to_Mikrotik_to_stop_violate_GPL Thanks. 2009/12/8 "Gustavo G. M?rmol" > > I do not whether you had the chance to see the link below > > http://www.mikrotik.com/pdf/MT_Manual.pdf > > They said that: > > This software is provided by the regents and contributors ?as is? and any express or implied warranties, including, but not limited to, the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose are disclaimed. bash, boa, dialog, e2fsprogs, fileutils, getty_ps, gzip, modutils, mount, net-tools, procps, shellutils, sysklogd, sysvinit, tar, textutils, updated, util-linux - For the above GPL licensed programs in accordance with the GPL license, Mikrotikls offers to organize a copy of the source code or it can be found on most standard Linux distributions. Write support at mikrotik.com for more information. glibc, libstdc++, ncurses, termcap - For the above LGPL licensed programs in accordance with the LGPL license, Mikrotikls offers to organize a copy of the source code or it can be found on most standard Linux distributions. Write support at mikrotik.com for more information. > > I think this is not to comply with the GPL terms...I do not how you see that... > > Cheers, > > Gustavo G. M?rmol. al wrote: > Hello. > > We're using Mikrotik with RouterOS and we know is true that everything > else is missing. > > This is only a little and old part of a lot of GPL software there are > selling without release source code. > > http://www.routerboard.com/files/linux-2.4.31.zip > > What can we do? > >> mr schrieb: >>> no, not without further information. What makes you think it's running >>> linux? What router is it? (please give a link to the product page). If >>> it's running linux, have you asked them for the source code? >>> >> Mikrotik OS is fully based on linux. some kernel sources are provided in > the past for the RB532. but everything else > (which is alot) is missing. > >> Sebastian >>> Regards, >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> On Feb 17, 2008 2:29 AM, Andr? Machado wrote: >>> >>>> Hi every body. >>>> I try to find the source code of RouterOS (Mikrotik) but can't get any >>>> notice about... some body knows? > > From bkuhn at ebb.org Tue Dec 15 15:55:05 2009 From: bkuhn at ebb.org (Bradley M. Kuhn) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:55:05 -0500 Subject: SFLC filed a lawsuit against 14 GPL violators yesterday Message-ID: <874onscmnq.fsf@ebb.org> I thought folks here would be interested to see that SFLC, on behalf the Software Freedom Conservancy and Erik Andersen, filed a copyright infringement lawsuit in the USA against 14 GPL violators regarding violations on BusyBox: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2009/dec/14/busybox-gpl-lawsuit/ The PDF of the complaint filed in court is also available: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2009/busybox-complaint-2009-12-14.pdf -- -- bkuhn From al at blogmail.cc Tue Dec 15 18:27:48 2009 From: al at blogmail.cc (al) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:27:48 +0100 Subject: Mikrotik source In-Reply-To: <4B224B18.9050000@blogmail.cc> References: <4B1E2601.9060001@blogmail.cc> <4B224B18.9050000@blogmail.cc> Message-ID: <4B27C714.4050409@blogmail.cc> al wrote: > I think we can make a version of text that Paolo sent to Unixmedia to > send to Mikrotik. > > They are using GNU/Linux and they make changes and they don't providing > to distribute their changes, then it could be judged as a violation of > the GNU General Public License, which requires that source code should > be distributed, it is not possible make their software and market it > without distributing the source code. > > But I need some help, my english is not good and I don't know about > legal expressions. > > If you want, we're work in text in our wiki: > http://wiki.guifi.net/wiki/index.php/Contact_to_Mikrotik_to_stop_violate_GPL > > > Thanks. We made some modifications. Do you think is ready to send it to Mikrotik? PD: (sorry for top-post before) From neil at neilzone.co.uk Tue Dec 15 19:30:19 2009 From: neil at neilzone.co.uk (Neil Brown) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:30:19 +0000 Subject: FW: Mikrotik source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091215183019.pgy4i5obw44s4ksg@neilzone.co.uk> al wrote: >> http://wiki.guifi.net/wiki/index.php/Contact_to_Mikrotik_to_stop_violate_GPL > We made some modifications. Do you think is ready to send it to Mikrotik? I have had a quick look at the wiki, and, since it appears to require registration to edit, I've proposed some text (below). Regards Neil ----- Dear Mikrotik Ref: Use of GNU GPL 2.0 code in [model of router]. We write in respect of your [range of] router[s], which [is/are] based on, or include, software licensed under GNU GPL 2.0, a common open source licence - a copy of the licence is available at http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html. As you may be aware, the performance of an act restricted by copyright in respect of a copyright work, in the absence of an appropriate licence or other permission, infringes the copyright in that work. As you may be further aware, the terms of the licence, which govern the distribution of this software, require you, as distributor, to fulfil certain commitments. In particular, a distributor of GNU GPL 2.0 'd code is required to: a.) accompany distribution of object code with a copy of the text of GNU GPL 2.0, and b.) where the distribution is by means of a binary version of the software (in this case, embedded in the router) either accompany the binary distribution with: 1.) a copy of the source code (e.g. supplying a CD with the product, or bundling the source code on any integrated disc); or 2.) a written offer to give *any* third party a copy of the source code, for a charge no greater than your costs of performing such distribution (e.g. making the relevant source code available online, whether via http, ftp, svn or otherwise). For the purposes of the licence, "source code" means the complete corresponding machine readable source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable. We have been informed that there is no source code accompanying the router, nor a written offer. We would be grateful if you could confirm: a.) how we can obtain copies of the source code for the GNU GPL 2.0'd code in your product; and b.) that you will comply with the terms of the GNU GPL 2.0 in respect of your continuing distribution of GNU GPL 2.0'd code. Kind regards Fundaci? Privada per a la Xarxa Oberta, Lliure i Neutral guifi.net Private Foundation for Open, Free & Neutral Network guifi.net From al at blogmail.cc Wed Dec 16 01:27:14 2009 From: al at blogmail.cc (al at blogmail.cc) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:27:14 +0100 Subject: Mikrotik source In-Reply-To: <4B27C714.4050409@blogmail.cc> References: <4B1E2601.9060001@blogmail.cc> <4B224B18.9050000@blogmail.cc> <4B27C714.4050409@blogmail.cc> Message-ID: <4B282962.7060506@blogmail.cc> Wow! Thank you very much! I put it in wiki. You don't need registration to edit. Maybe problem is that interface it's only in catalan, sorry. You can edit here: http://wiki.guifi.net/wiki/index.php?title=Contact_to_Mikrotik_to_stop_violate_GPL&action=edit I respect all your text but we add text about distribute modifications over GPL code. Because principal problem we think they make GPL licensed software modifications without publish it. If you agree, we are going to send it to Mikrotik in a few days. Thanks again. From neil at neilzone.co.uk Wed Dec 16 01:27:23 2009 From: neil at neilzone.co.uk (Neil Brown) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:27:23 +0000 Subject: Mikrotik source In-Reply-To: <4B282962.7060506@blogmail.cc> References: <4B1E2601.9060001@blogmail.cc> <4B224B18.9050000@blogmail.cc> <4B27C714.4050409@blogmail.cc> <4B282962.7060506@blogmail.cc> Message-ID: <4B28296B.4070400@neilzone.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 al at blogmail.cc wrote: > You don't need registration to edit. Maybe problem is that interface > it's only in catalan, sorry. You can edit here: > http://wiki.guifi.net/wiki/index.php?title=Contact_to_Mikrotik_to_stop_violate_GPL&action=edit My mistake- thanks. I've made my additional modifications (described below) within the wiki. > I respect all your text but we add text about distribute modifications > over GPL code. Because principal problem we think they make GPL licensed > software modifications without publish it. Modifications made to the text in the wiki - primarily to clarify the necessity of ensuring that the source code to be distributed / made available is that which relates to the modified version of the covered work, if modifications have been made, but also to highlight that the source code distribution / make available obligation arises irrespective of whether modifications have been made or not. Regards - -- Neil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAksoKWcACgkQr70Z7teoI3t0sQCeOdkQI0wGjyOZ3ReL9PAj/U1H CvEAn11db/HUdOT370rymPinMLHA7le9 =pnh8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hector.oron at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 12:52:00 2009 From: hector.oron at gmail.com (Hector Oron) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:52:00 +0100 Subject: =?Big5?B?UmU6IKZewtA6IKZewtA6IEdMLTc0MCBzdXBwb3J0?= In-Reply-To: <2C507BE970CE47EDA9DBA0345FF67EF5@userPC> References: <567FCF70CC9C40F0A4DD63FD2686B239@userPC> <2C507BE970CE47EDA9DBA0345FF67EF5@userPC> Message-ID: Hello Vic, 2009/12/16 Vic at GNB : > The source code already put on the website, any other inquiry please let me > know Thanks very much for the work, we really appreciate it. As far as I can see, only rootfs packages are published which it is very good, but not for our intentions, as we also have a GNU rootfs based on Debian packages. I have been trying to search u-boot and linux kernel sources unsuccessfully, could you please point me to them? Also a brief explanation on how to access u-boot from a serial terminal would help. Anyway, I'll try to open it up and try to search serial pins and any other ports to help on "our" development, but this does not make sense if at least we do not have kernel and bootloader sources. Kind regards, -- H?ctor Or?n "Our Sun unleashes tremendous flares expelling hot gas into the Solar System, which one day will disconnect us." From will.newton at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 15:24:17 2009 From: will.newton at gmail.com (Will Newton) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:24:17 +0000 Subject: Iomega NAS device GPL compliance Message-ID: <87a5b0800912180624q2d052ca9kd7d6120aaf910cb1@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have an Iomega ix2-200 NAS which runs Linux and most probably other GPL software as well (but I have yet to verify that). Unfortunately I have not been successful in my attempts at getting source code from them: 1. The documentation and CD shipping with the product do not appear to contain a written offer. 2. I have asked on their company hosted forums and tech support addresses but had no reply. Has anyone had any experience with getting GPL source code from Iomega? Their parent company EMC seems to release some code as open source so I'm hopeful that something can be achieved. Thanks,