Google is Violating LGPL Source Code
Hardy, Allan
allan.hardy at lmco.com
Wed Apr 8 00:17:39 CEST 2009
I couldn't find it either
And this: 'noted/linked to in the licensed software notes in addition to
the link to the jfree site ' would go a long way to stop nuts like me
from bothering you.
I assume I would not need an svn client either, if one did the 'same as'
requirement starts getting questionable for me.
Allan
From: legal-bounces at lists.gpl-violations.org
[mailto:legal-bounces at lists.gpl-violations.org] On Behalf Of Stephen C.
Fedder
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:12 PM
To: 'Daniel Berlin'
Cc: legal at lists.gpl-violations.org
Subject: RE: RE: Google is Violating LGPL Source Code
Hi Daniel,
I just downloaded through svn the entire distribution from the google
code page for GWT and the jfreechart source is not included in that
distribution as far as I can tell, although it is referenced in the
included classes. Is there a different svn source distribution I should
be looking for other than the official one on the web?
It does seem to look for a folder in the build to include these
libraries from jar files, i.e. build.xml for the library I referenced:
<target name="wardir" description="Create the target war directory">
<copy todir="${war}">
<fileset dir="war" excludes="WEB-INF/classes/marker" />
</copy>
<mkdir dir="${war}/WEB-INF/lib" />
<copy todir="${war}/WEB-INF/lib" file="${gwt.servlet.jar}" />
<copy todir="${war}/WEB-INF/lib"
file="${gwt.tools.lib}/jfreechart/jfreechart-1.0.3.jar" />
<copy todir="${war}/WEB-INF/lib"
file="${gwt.tools.lib}/jfreechart/jcommon-1.0.6.jar" />
</target>
If the source for the LGPL is included in an svn distro, this should be
noted/linked to in the licensed software notes in addition to the link
to the jfree site to avoid these kind of questions.
Steve
________________________________
From: Daniel Berlin [mailto:dannyb at google.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:51 PM
To: Stephen C. Fedder
Cc: legal at lists.gpl-violations.org
Subject: Re: RE: Google is Violating LGPL Source Code
We do provide the source archives for jfreechart, at the exact same
place we provide the gwt downloads
They are in the svn repository, rather than on the downloads page. We
have done this since the first release of gwt
The docs link to the original website not because you have to go there
to get source, but because that is where it came from.
On Apr 7, 2009 5:27 PM, "Stephen C. Fedder"
<sfedder at hotmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, I was not aware that the jfree chart library was actually
included as
binary files, and no-one had mentioned this before in the
thread, which was
why I commented that it would be helpful to know that fact
positively before
starting a thread. I still think that the potential
non-compliance should
also be conveyed/discussed with the vendor before bringing up a
public
complaint, as these things tend to often get blown out of
proportion.
In the case that the product is included in the war
distribution, which is
essentially an archive/aggregation that is unpacked to the
target directory
on the server, I would agree that this inclusion (IANAL) does
not require
the package under the GPL, as would directly linking source code
in a
binary, since the jfreechart jar file could still easily be
replaced by the
user with another version compiled from source. Inclusion of
the binaries
in the war does mean that there is a requirement to provide
access to the
source code for the version(s) of the LGPL binaries that are
incorporated
into the war being distributed. Providing a link to the website
of the
original distribution is good, however to comply, companies
archive and
provide LGPL source file distributions for any past binary
distributions
they have used in a binary form on the same site they distribute
the
application on. This could just be a conglomerate L/GPL source
site, for
example, covering all applications fielded by the company using
L/GPL
software.
Section 6. of LGPL 2.1 does specifically state that the source
for the
unmodified or modified LGPL library, even if just aggregated or
dynamically
linked with the product, must still be provided. Section 6 is
meant to
specifically allow use of the software as a library without the
viral nature
of GPL infecting software that merely uses the standard
interfaces (API) of
the library. It does not remove the responsibility to
distribute the source
code for the library in any case where an object-only form is
distributed.
(anyone here please correct me if I'm wrong).
I do see in the file gwt-benchmark-viewer.jar in the
distribution that the
jfree chart package is included as binary class files. Since
the class
files are actually embedded in a jar, not just the war itself,
the library
is not actually being used as a separate package (LGPL would
usually be
distributed as a separate jar file rather than the class files
being
embedded with an application). This makes it more problematic
for an end
user to recompile and replace the jfree package in the binary
distribution
of the application, which is a large part of the "freedom"
afforded by the
clauses in the LGPL - someone help me out here...
The start of a listing of the a jar file in the GWT distribution
showing the
beginning of the jfree distribution is below...
Steve
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-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Berlin
[mailto:dannyb at google.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:41 PM To: Stephen C. Fedder Cc:
legal at lists.gpl-violations.org Subj...
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Daniel Berlin
<dannyb at google.com> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 1...
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