Fw: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses
Thomas Charron
twaffle at gmail.com
Fri Nov 21 15:44:34 CET 2008
So, file a complaint against them at paypal. That'll get their attention.
Thomas
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Arnt Karlsen <arnt at c2i.net> wrote:
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:41:26 +0100
> From: Arnt Karlsen <arnt at c2i.net>
> To: flightgear-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under
> dubious pretenses
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>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:16:34 -0500, Matthew wrote in message
>> <f28b49ce0811201716v2e134121v914c62c96da48b3d at mail.gmail.com>:
>>
>> > One thing to be *very* careful of is assuming that flightgear has
>> > some absolute right to control what happens downstream. If this
>> > company is honoring it's responsibilities under the GPL, there is
>> > nothing that the FG community can do to prevent it happening.
>> >
>> > The GPL enshrines those rights to the recipient, and by extension
>> > you give up the right of control as an author when you allow code
>> > to be distributed under the GPL.
>>
>> ..except we do _not_ know _whether_ it is being sold under the GPL
>> here.
>>
>> ..the website rather strongly suggest this _is_ software piracy.
>>
>> ..therefore the copyright owners has the right to make this fine
>> seller, _prove_ his compliance to the GPL. (Or, simply call in the
>> cops. ;o))
>>
>> ..absent evidence of such compliance, this becomes a copyright
>> infringement and criminal case under most jurisdictions, and
>> there's _ample_ case law suggesting viable solutions. ;o)
>>
>> ..in all fairness, I did find _one_ single mention of the GPL,
>> in: http://flight-aviator.com/images/fps/thumb/picture-0010.jpg
>> try search it for "ImGply". ;o)
>>
>>
>> ..pay-pal would know of payments made to these people. ;o)
>>
>> ..has anyone mirrored http://www.flight-aviator.com/shop/ etc?
>> I suspect they _are_ aware of our prodding, I could not buy
>> _anything_, _anywhere_ on their site, from them. ;o)
>>
>> > The main thing that the GPL prevents is 'flightsimpro' creating a
>> > flightsim that has unique features and linking it into the the main
>> > binary and preventing the release of that. But if the developer is
>> > keeping their stuff separate (say an advanced-clean room
>> > implementation of terrasync using different scenery, or a bridge to
>> > a different flight sim network), again they have done nothing wrong
>> > by the GPL (distribution of aggregations is a confusing area).
>> >
>> > Contact with this company would clarify most of this quickly.
>>
>> ..like I said above, I suspect they _are_ aware of our prodding.
>> So I too welcome their _thorough_ clarifications. ;o)
>>
>>
>> ..meanwhile, helpful whois etc output? ;o)
>> arnt at a45:~/0a16 $ jwhois flightprosim.com
>> [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com]
>> [Redirected to whois.godaddy.com]
>> [Querying whois.godaddy.com]
>> [whois.godaddy.com]
>> The data contained in GoDaddy.com, Inc.'s WhoIs database,
>> while believed by the company to be reliable, is provided "as is"
>> with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This
>> information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you
>> in obtaining information about domain name registration records.
>> Any use of this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden
>> without the prior written permission of GoDaddy.com, Inc. By
>> submitting an inquiry, you agree to these terms of usage and
>> limitations of warranty. In particular, you agree not to use this
>> data to allow, enable, or otherwise make possible, dissemination or
>> collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for any purpose,
>> such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and and
>> solicitations of any kind, including spam. You further agree not to
>> use this data to enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic
>> processes designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose,
>> including mining this data for your own personal or commercial
>> purposes.
>>
>> Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
>> in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc.
>> is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.
>>
>>
>> Registrant:
>> Domains by Proxy, Inc.
>> DomainsByProxy.com
>> 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
>> Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
>> United States
>>
>> Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
>> Domain Name: FLIGHTPROSIM.COM
>> Created on: 04-Jun-08
>> Expires on: 05-Jun-09
>> Last Updated on: 04-Jun-08
>>
>> Administrative Contact:
>> Private, Registration FLIGHTPROSIM.COM at domainsbyproxy.com
>> Domains by Proxy, Inc.
>> DomainsByProxy.com
>> 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
>> Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
>> United States
>> (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
>>
>> Technical Contact:
>> Private, Registration FLIGHTPROSIM.COM at domainsbyproxy.com
>> Domains by Proxy, Inc.
>> DomainsByProxy.com
>> 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
>> Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
>> United States
>> (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
>>
>> Domain servers in listed order:
>> NS45.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
>> NS46.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
>>
>> arnt at a45:~/0a16 $ jwhois flight-aviator.com
>> [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com]
>> [Redirected to whois.godaddy.com]
>> [Querying whois.godaddy.com]
>> [whois.godaddy.com]
>> The data contained in GoDaddy.com, Inc.'s WhoIs database,
>> while believed by the company to be reliable, is provided "as is"
>> with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This
>> information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you
>> in obtaining information about domain name registration records.
>> Any use of this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden
>> without the prior written permission of GoDaddy.com, Inc. By
>> submitting an inquiry, you agree to these terms of usage and
>> limitations of warranty. In particular, you agree not to use this
>> data to allow, enable, or otherwise make possible, dissemination or
>> collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for any purpose,
>> such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and and
>> solicitations of any kind, including spam. You further agree not to
>> use this data to enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic
>> processes designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose,
>> including mining this data for your own personal or commercial
>> purposes.
>>
>> Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
>> in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc.
>> is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.
>>
>>
>> Registrant:
>> KcKpers Ltd
>> 5a Jasmine place
>> Wigram
>> Christchurch, Canterbury 8004
>> New Zealand
>>
>> Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
>> Domain Name: FLIGHT-AVIATOR.COM
>> Created on: 25-Aug-08
>> Expires on: 26-Aug-10
>> Last Updated on: 25-Aug-08
>>
>> Administrative Contact:
>> Casey, Andrew domainaccounts at gmail.com
>> KcKpers Ltd
>> 5a Jasmine place
>> Wigram
>> Christchurch, Canterbury 8004
>> New Zealand
>> (021) 186-3057 Fax --
>>
>> Technical Contact:
>> Casey, Andrew domainaccounts at gmail.com
>> KcKpers Ltd
>> 5a Jasmine place
>> Wigram
>> Christchurch, Canterbury 8004
>> New Zealand
>> (021) 186-3057 Fax --
>>
>> Domain servers in listed order:
>> NS25.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
>> NS26.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
>>
>> arnt at a45:~/0a16 $ dig flight-aviator.com
>>
>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> flight-aviator.com
>> ;; global options: printcmd
>> ;; Got answer:
>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 49430
>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
>>
>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>> ;flight-aviator.com. IN A
>>
>> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
>> flight-aviator.com. 3027 IN A 72.167.131.94
>>
>> ;; Query time: 11 msec
>> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
>> ;; WHEN: Fri Nov 21 03:59:46 2008
>> ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 52
>>
>> arnt at a45:~/0a16 $ dig -x 72.167.131.94
>>
>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> -x 72.167.131.94
>> ;; global options: printcmd
>> ;; Got answer:
>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 31358
>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
>>
>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>> ;94.131.167.72.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR
>>
>> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
>> 94.131.167.72.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN PTR
>> p3slh170.shr.phx3.secureserver.net.
>>
>> ;; Query time: 147 msec
>> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
>> ;; WHEN: Fri Nov 21 04:00:00 2008
>> ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 92
>>
>> arnt at a45:~/0a16 $ jwhois secureserver.net.
>> [Querying whois.internic.net]
>> [Redirected to whois.wildwestdomains.com]
>> [Querying whois.wildwestdomains.com]
>> [whois.wildwestdomains.com]
>> No match for "secureserver.net." in the registrar database.
>>
>> arnt at a45:~/0a16 $
>> arnt at a45:~/0a16 $ dig secureserver.net
>>
>> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> secureserver.net
>> ;; global options: printcmd
>> ;; Got answer:
>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 60319
>> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
>>
>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>> ;secureserver.net. IN A
>>
>> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
>> secureserver.net. 3600 IN A 208.109.132.208
>>
>> ;; Query time: 146 msec
>> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
>> ;; WHEN: Fri Nov 21 04:01:02 2008
>> ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 50
>>
>> arnt at a45:~/0a16 $ jwhois secureserver.net
>> [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com]
>> [Redirected to whois.wildwestdomains.com]
>> [Querying whois.wildwestdomains.com]
>> [whois.wildwestdomains.com]
>> The data contained in this Registrar's Whois database,
>> while believed by the registrar to be reliable, is provided "as is"
>> with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This
>> information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you in
>> obtaining information about domain name registration records. Any use
>> of this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without
>> the prior written permission of this registrar. By submitting an
>> inquiry, you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of
>> warranty. In particular, you agree not to use this data to allow,
>> enable, or otherwise make possible, dissemination or collection of
>> this data, in part or in its entirety, for any purpose, such as the
>> transmission of unsolicited advertising and solicitations of any
>> kind, including spam. You further agree not to use this data to
>> enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic processes
>> designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose, including
>> mining this data for your own personal or commercial purposes.
>>
>> Please note: the owner of the domain name is specified in the
>> "registrant" field. In most cases, the Registrar is not the owner of
>> domain names listed in this database.
>>
>>
>> Registrant:
>> Wild West Domains, Inc.
>> 14455 N Hayden Rd #219
>> Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
>> United States
>>
>> Registered through: WWDomains.com
>> Domain Name: SECURESERVER.NET
>> Created on: 30-Mar-98
>> Expires on: 28-Mar-17
>> Last Updated on: 29-Aug-08
>>
>> Administrative Contact:
>> Wild West Domains, Inc., Wild West Domains, Inc. dns at jomax.net
>> Wild West Domains, Inc.
>> 14455 N Hayden Rd #219
>> Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
>> United States
>> 4806242500 Fax -- 4805058844
>>
>> Technical Contact:
>> Wild West Domains, Inc., Wild West Domains, Inc. dns at jomax.net
>> Wild West Domains, Inc.
>> 14455 N Hayden Rd #219
>> Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
>> United States
>> 4806242500 Fax -- 4805058844
>>
>> Domain servers in listed order:
>> CNS1.SECURESERVER.NET
>> CNS2.SECURESERVER.NET
>>
>> arnt at a45:~/0a16 $
>>
>> > (A parasite isn't always violating the GPL - a lot of X and kernel
>> > developers call Ubuntu a parasite since they don't contribute a
>> > proportional amount upstream.)
>> >
>> > Regards... Matthew
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/20/08, Stuart Buchanan <stuart_d_buchanan at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> > > --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Curtis Olson wrote:
>> > >> Someone pointed out this site to me. It probably falls into
>> > >> the category of just barely ok, but I thought I'd post the link
>> > >> here to get some more eyes on it.
>> > >>
>> > >> http://flight-aviator.com/
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > One way to discourage this sort of thing would be to include
>> > > "www.flightgear.org" prominently in the startup screens, in the
>> > > same way that we include "initializing sub-systems",
>> > > "initializing scenery".
>> > >
>> > > Possibly with an added message along the lines of "Welcome to
>> > > FlightGear, the free open source flight simulator."
>> > >
>> > > That would force the rip-off merchants to at least compile the
>> > > code, rather than simply replacing some .pngs!
>> > >
>> > > -Stuart
>>
>>
>> --
>> ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o)
>> ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
>> Scenarios always come in sets of three:
>> best case, worst case, and just in case.
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>
> --
> ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o)
> ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
> Scenarios always come in sets of three:
> best case, worst case, and just in case.
>
>
--
-- Thomas
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